maybe most cases there's not a great sin in the great deal of popular and fusion about was the sun the divided political. opinions which makes it very difficult to prosecute and continued as was particularly problems on conflicts such as the one we saw in iraq and is still ongoing in afghanistan but why always the no one likes a war but it seems like an old days people were really driven to win at this point everyone's life fatigued with wars what it did depends what the was about what system if you're talking about second world will russians code the great patrols who will what was at stake was the whole future of european civilization today's was obviously the issues are quite potent in some cases there are divided opinions about you know whether or not the war is worth the candle of what's at stake and so on but are the issues maybe blurred because for example making images

get other experts we spoke to there saying that war on terror is misleading because it doesn't really define the enemy you don't really know what you're fighting for do you think that might be the problem with the war on terror is is a vague concept i think the problem is more the. when the war on top terror has taken the forward actuals such as the ones you know you see in iraq and afghanistan. there's been a confusions about what helped jets objects of those bills you know initially the object is supposedly. you know to have six security objects of various kinds you know but then they get confused with there's political and ideological project in the products to transform the societies in the american or in the west and self-image because that that that makes the whole scenario very complicated but also it seems like if you compare the wars that were fought in the twentieth century would say the second world war since we started off with that. it was also

an involvement of ideological clashes like communism liberalism fascism. what's important today ideology or nationalism or patriotism what what would drive people today to actually you know want to win a war i think there are already logical issues at stake in these various contemporary conflicts you know what various western governments and the elite eight western public opinion sees be the stake is no western liberal democracy in the values that i wrote represents various terrorists and fundamentalists opposed cons are seen as being a friend to his values and an effort to assist them sober up because she's a striker know whether or not you know the fret is as great as it's made out that's another question on how you combat that fred that's another i think that you know significant ideological issues at stake in today's conflicts maybe not cause

fundamental and on such a grand scale as the ones you mentioned in relation to the second one to open the i think that you know ideas and values are not very central to. these ongoing conflicts because that's not the only few states is also a state state interests and versed narrow political interests. at work which you know are going complicates the whole situation we're talking about ideologies and at the end of the day if you look at why merica wages all those wars or at least official version is that they believe that people in other countries that are ruled by dictators deserve a better idealogy which is democracy so they're try to export that democracy to those countries. save libyan people in benghazi from being slaughtered by darfur or save people in iraq from being slaughtered by hussein but then the ways and the means they do that. doesn't that really undermined their

a core of the principles they're really trying to export and instead democracy promotion has been at the heart of american foreign policy for a long time on gone back at least to a side top of the first world war so it's that's not a new flea. the problem is you know what's the best way to. promote democracy is it by for military intervention is it by trying to impose your own system of other people is there even a way to impose democracy will recent experience which is yes that it's very problematic trying to export your system to another country and see that clearly in the case of afghanistan and also in the case in the case in case of iraq but that you know there is this cut american ideology of democracy promotion that democracy is not just good for america it's good for the rest of the world it's not just good

for it from a political point of view it's also good from the point of view of few pieces and quite good motives i think underlying united states democracy promotion but as you say the way the way they go they go about it does have a tendency to undermine its own goals you know if he talked to some of the former hewas officials today some of them actually acknowledge that the wars especially in afghanistan and in iraq. they were waged at a flip of a coin they didn't really gave too much thought of going in there and actually. having a clear strategy how to win why is that were they deep inside just so certain that they could defeat terrorism going into iraq for example or afghanistan. that's true in both cases there were very serious ventures seriously conceived of in fact there were decisions at the drop of a hat there might be wrong decisions but i think so you think they actually gave

a lot of thought absolutely what i didn't give a lot of thought to or my view was that misconceived interests was was what happens off to the war what happens when you liberate when you walk upon what problems. is that got from how you got to deal with them so so that that is often where the lack of clarity comes into the picture and that's all part of the military strategy is what happens after i mean you don't just go in liberate people if you know that they're going to be worse off once you're liberation it depends what you think is going to happen and the afghanistan of iraq western societies united states great britain had a particular view based on their view of historic experience of what was going to happen you know when they went into these countries you know secured their military codes and then attempt to skew their political goals and that turned out to be wrong it's really much more complicated than i thought until the fundamental problem i faced was was you know ok initially they would i want quiet. decisive

victories but the military campaign had to continue in various forms and the continuation of military camp by tended to conflict with their political goals for democracy in the west months i should so they found themselves you know a whole series of contradictions complications which you know the result was in the afghan case they were drawing the chances you know there's a good chance the taliban may will make a comeback so what's been the result of ten years of war in afghanistan exactly if iraq is not a very stable country at this point stable is a. that doesn't apply to afghanistan at all and then you know we hear a lot of talk about new possibilities of going to syria or you know hitting iran do you really feel like western states feel an imminent threat from those two countries do we really need to go in those countries and invade them too no i don't i don't think dr peeke if western governments feel for from syria. what most

think. iran is a different case of it you know there is a perception on the raid for various forms of course particularly in the case of you know do the acquisition of nuclear weapons but that's not just the threat seen by the west i mean you know the russian government also the fuse iran acquiring nuclear weapons as b. has has been problematic at least as part of the diplomatic and political effort to stop that so so invading iran would still solve the problem no no no no i'm just saying that russia doesn't want iran to acquire a nuclear weapon no law if iran pops up and if there was a russia as part of a political and diplomatic effort to try to avert i've been shot in the polls that's that's the right way to go and i don't want to talk about the military action i do think that the experience of military action in relation to iraq and afghanistan how problematic is to is acting as

a constraint on the day america west a predisposition to military action in relation to run amok so sure about the israelis of course. they've got to make their own decisions and proceed around course but they can't really act alone without american acworth so. you would wouldn't necessarily say that depends how the israelis view the iranian threat or you are good for of an iranian bomb what would what risk that we have to tell you i personally wouldn't you do that for israeli action in relation to iran which of course would be a very. frightening scenario should actually develop hugo argue that soviet union was not prepared to fight a defensive war in forty one you've just said that america was really pretty prepared for the consequences of the invasion they lead to afghanistan and iraq. how should one actually prepare for a war of tomorrow. i mean that's very difficult because there is disclose showed

that the generals are always preparing to fight the last war and it is a cliche but it does tend to be true it's only as the conflict on faults that that it's novelty its novelty becomes apparent hand there's not that type to the actual conditions of the war so there is no way to prepare for a new war. but yet we are yes the reason one of the ways that you can prepare for a new war is obviously by the lessons of history learning past experience but also learning the lesson that the future is always different for me to be a little bit circumspect i was mine for the bubble as you call it said. chair journals you know it was said that it's very easy of the event to say was should have happened and what should have been done it's much more difficult at the time so you know planning for war is preparing for war engaging the world is a very difficult and complicated complicated business and mistakes in my you know

you know the whole history of warfare is of you know was going wrong things not turning out as the generals the politicians expect jeffrey roberts historian author of the new book stallions general it's about marshall is yuko of thank you very much for being with us today thank you. it sounds like a dry goods. crashing through the forest but it is in fact technology versus trees and would you believe it this machine can fail and strip hundreds of them each day when building this facility we wanted to use advanced technology that would increase of the sea and allow us not to use manual labor also this provides for better quality goods as a result we were able to conquer western markets the demand for corrina birchwood

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hello there welcome to the sport and these are the headlines rallying the troops any calls on his players to refine their form as they prepare to face italian giants milan in the champions league classics bartók spark the muscovites lose three two to celtic after conceding a last minute goal in the russian capital. and we thank you for make a north american start your last goal shines for service style and therefore no wins. but first. he has urged his players to refine their form ahead of tonight's champions league clash with a man in sin page this book the russian champions are bottom of group c. after losing three nil to malaga and have been disappointing in the russian premier

league where they currently lie six what's more they have selection problems russia kept and you got the nice soft continues to be dropped after a overpay while fellow midfielder. danny but despite the setbacks coach gillispie is telling his remaining players to believe in themselves. we're going. to do is to return self-reliance skills and quality because we want to beat others will come back to us later so we should turn our strengths and skills back to the level that we had one consolation fiza need is that ac milan are struggling too they are nine points off leaders eventis in syria and could only manage a goal destroy against anderlecht at the san siro in their last champions league match milan are managed by former teammate massimiliano legatee and he too has faith in his own squad to turn things around. look there. is a very good and i believe i have agreed. we have started to perform better reaching

. and tomorrow's goal is to play out the best quote of your moscow only had themselves to blame after their three two defeat to celtic in the champions league last night that's according to the red and whites midfielder me dizzy celtic took an early lead in moscow through gary hooper before emmanuel and nikkei scored either side of the break to hands fast the advantage but it all went horribly wrong for the russians after that they had a lousy sent off on sixty three minutes for a foul because it described as stupid and that was then followed by an own goal from the major combat up to make it seem to you before you were smartest headed celtics winner at the death disease said spartak had been wife still in possession benfica in moscow later this month to have any hope of progressing. while the three to defeat put spartak bottom of their group having also lost to barcelona in their opening game by the same scoreline the spaniards keep their hundred percent but the

two know when they were benfica. elsewhere munched united came from behind to be kluge in romania a couple of robin van persie goals securing a two one victory for united now the table was gala tasher right of bottom after their two no defeat to f.c. praga persie happy with a good night's work. you. were given. possible it was not worth it to give them the you would have to be. great for growth in the eyes of the woman. who stopped you in the battle of the world with me while defending champions chelsea from danish side no show and four nil to top group a eventis in shakhtar played actual one one draw and the other guy. the surprise of the night fell by the russian side bought a bottle sulphate by munich three one in men's puts pass a top of group two wins from two plenty big deal to little to keep in the french

side bottom of the table. and i saw a meticulous level top the western conference after beating in armaments to one while north american import to move luxo scored and gotten the cispa service style and therefore no win over the first goal came in the middle of the first period with the national presence player playing to the one the up and he then turned provider midway through the second setting at the again he kept off to make it to no two fifteen seconds later serve a cell go to third alexander and serve the man finding the target this time. and denise does the honor of rounded off a very comfortable foreigner when put service seventh in the western conference. while games from the continental hockey league will soon be broadcast in america sports broadcaster e.s.p.n. has decided to show them stateside as well as in the u.k. it's been prompted by the current n.h.l. lockout acting chief think it will offer good entertainment. believe what you are

truly currently has plenty to offer when it comes to getting our product on the market the clubs which currently feature in the child players such as the nominee says scott and scott will clearly draw more interest from overseas then there are the teams but ultimately it will suggest we each match is we want to see broadcasted based on quality time difference and other factors now let's switch to tennis because narration rapper is safely through to the third round of the china open and easy straight sets win for the two you see they remain yours are honest the spirit invasion drew up a verbal place to live in years polo to the next revealing and read russian the catherine account of a doesn't match his former world number one an advantage crashed out of the ground to ground the heat goes into the quarterfinals along with myron was tired and was just beaten you recall his six three seven six. boxing rushes alexander ovechkin says he is ready to take on heavyweight king klitschko perfect in is undefeated in

twenty. five bags after victory over seeing what happened at the weekend and the w.b. a regular champion i want to show down with klitschko in february or march next year however before that can happen cranium who holds four heavyweight titles needs to beat the pole in november for the klitschko camp saying any following fight would not be before july but whatever the date in insists he'll be ready for the sequel fight. right now vladimir is getting plenty of worldwide exposure so i understand why i'm considered the underdog but i'm not too worried about it i'm surrounded by people who fully believe in me and i'm confident that i have what it takes to defeat him when you're bullshit and we will end with football and all the goals that flew in during the latest round of the russian premier league spotlight fans might at least enjoy this one it is. live.

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